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	<title>Comments on: Pax Mennonita via Flexible Pacifism</title>
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	<description>let's activate something</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nathan Eanes</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2006/12/19/pax-mennonita-via-flexible-pacifism/#comment-301</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Eanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting issue. On the one hand, I am glad that these people are stimulating discussion by advocating their "flexible pacifism" over the old "we won't bother you if you don't make us join the military" version of Mennonite pacifism. Unfortunately, though, I think this "flexible pacifism" will end up supporting pro-war extremists if they're not careful. 

Also, I think that, rather than rejecting pacifism altogether, these people need to interact with newer ideas coming from people like Rene Girard and Walter Wink, which provide a compelling renunciation of violence through different means than the traditional Anabaptists used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting issue. On the one hand, I am glad that these people are stimulating discussion by advocating their &#8220;flexible pacifism&#8221; over the old &#8220;we won&#8217;t bother you if you don&#8217;t make us join the military&#8221; version of Mennonite pacifism. Unfortunately, though, I think this &#8220;flexible pacifism&#8221; will end up supporting pro-war extremists if they&#8217;re not careful. </p>
<p>Also, I think that, rather than rejecting pacifism altogether, these people need to interact with newer ideas coming from people like Rene Girard and Walter Wink, which provide a compelling renunciation of violence through different means than the traditional Anabaptists used.</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2006/12/19/pax-mennonita-via-flexible-pacifism/#comment-260</link>
		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  The Peace Office Newsletter dissected here can be found (at least for the moment) in text format in the &lt;a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:3tOeC_2jdxYJ:www.mcc.org/peace/pon/PON_2006-04.pdf+peace+office+protect+responsibly&#038;hl=en&#038;gl=us&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;client=firefox" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google cache&lt;/a&gt; (the original PDF appears to be missing from MCC's website - in fact, I can't seem to find the Peace Office page at all).

Generally I think pacifists and just war theologians alike would do well to spill far less ink on the fine points of ethical theory, and more exposing the radical unjustness, by any just-war criteria ever proposed, of every modern war.  In that spirit, I'm all in favor of Anabaptists signing on to a broad ecumenical statement that is really very strong in its unanimous condemnation of warfare.

At the same time, I'd rather if the Anabaptist representatives in these conversations came off a little bit less like star-struck kids who can't get over the fact that they were invited to the party.  Please, just sign the statement, acknowledge that we disagree with the majority about the ultimate legitimacy of violence, and get busy stopping the damn war already (since it appears we agree at least on that much).  There's really no need to get all floppy-apologetic and wax eloquent about "radical flexibility" and "principles" vs. the "complex world."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  The Peace Office Newsletter dissected here can be found (at least for the moment) in text format in the <a href="http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:3tOeC_2jdxYJ:www.mcc.org/peace/pon/PON_2006-04.pdf+peace+office+protect+responsibly&#038;hl=en&#038;gl=us&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;client=firefox" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:3tOeC_2jdxYJ:www.mcc.org/peace/pon/PON_2006-04.pdf+peace+office+protect+responsibly&#038;hl=en&#038;gl=us&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;client=firefox');" rel="nofollow">Google cache</a> (the original PDF appears to be missing from MCC&#8217;s website - in fact, I can&#8217;t seem to find the Peace Office page at all).</p>
<p>Generally I think pacifists and just war theologians alike would do well to spill far less ink on the fine points of ethical theory, and more exposing the radical unjustness, by any just-war criteria ever proposed, of every modern war.  In that spirit, I&#8217;m all in favor of Anabaptists signing on to a broad ecumenical statement that is really very strong in its unanimous condemnation of warfare.</p>
<p>At the same time, I&#8217;d rather if the Anabaptist representatives in these conversations came off a little bit less like star-struck kids who can&#8217;t get over the fact that they were invited to the party.  Please, just sign the statement, acknowledge that we disagree with the majority about the ultimate legitimacy of violence, and get busy stopping the damn war already (since it appears we agree at least on that much).  There&#8217;s really no need to get all floppy-apologetic and wax eloquent about &#8220;radical flexibility&#8221; and &#8220;principles&#8221; vs. the &#8220;complex world.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TimN</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2006/12/19/pax-mennonita-via-flexible-pacifism/#comment-258</link>
		<dc:creator>TimN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, doesn't "radically flexible" basically mean really really floppy? 

That is some radically bad buzz wording.

Well spotted, Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, doesn&#8217;t &#8220;radically flexible&#8221; basically mean really really floppy? </p>
<p>That is some radically bad buzz wording.</p>
<p>Well spotted, Michael.</p>
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