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	<title>Comments on: Global Anabaptism – present reality, realistic goal or hopeful optimism?</title>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 23:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There certainly is a richness that comes out of perceiving ourselves as a part of a global body, and the interactions and exchanges which are birthed from that. But my experience with Mennonite churches in Latin America has given me a similar sort of cynicism to yours, Tim. At best, the Mennonite churches I attended in Bolivia and Guatemala reinforced the norms and power structures of their respective cultures and were indistinguishable from other denominations. At worst, they carried much of the baggage from the missionaries who established the churches in the first place. The exceptions to this, the churches that gave me a lot of hope, were the Mennonite and Mennonite Brethren congregations of Colombia and Guatemala City, and I think this is mostly because they have had to formulate a theology, a living gospel which speaks to the reality of war and suffering in their countries. To be a peace-espousing Christian in such a setting actually demands something of you, unlike most places in the Western hemisphere. I think it probably is hopeful optimism to speak of a global Anabaptist body, but the nuggets I've found in that body are worth the effort it takes to build and sustain those relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There certainly is a richness that comes out of perceiving ourselves as a part of a global body, and the interactions and exchanges which are birthed from that. But my experience with Mennonite churches in Latin America has given me a similar sort of cynicism to yours, Tim. At best, the Mennonite churches I attended in Bolivia and Guatemala reinforced the norms and power structures of their respective cultures and were indistinguishable from other denominations. At worst, they carried much of the baggage from the missionaries who established the churches in the first place. The exceptions to this, the churches that gave me a lot of hope, were the Mennonite and Mennonite Brethren congregations of Colombia and Guatemala City, and I think this is mostly because they have had to formulate a theology, a living gospel which speaks to the reality of war and suffering in their countries. To be a peace-espousing Christian in such a setting actually demands something of you, unlike most places in the Western hemisphere. I think it probably is hopeful optimism to speak of a global Anabaptist body, but the nuggets I&#8217;ve found in that body are worth the effort it takes to build and sustain those relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: j alan meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>j alan meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 03:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to point out that a very similar (and intriguing) discussion is taking place over on the &lt;a href="http://www.bikemovement.org/blog/index.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;BikeMovementAsia&lt;/a&gt; website (on many topics, not just this one). I encourage you to also check that out if you're interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to point out that a very similar (and intriguing) discussion is taking place over on the <a href="http://www.bikemovement.org/blog/index.php" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.bikemovement.org/blog/index.php');" rel="nofollow">BikeMovementAsia</a> website (on many topics, not just this one). I encourage you to also check that out if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there hopefully will be an increase of Mennonites from the Global South coming to North America as missionaries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amen.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They’ll bring the Spirit and their own interpretations of Anabaptism, as well as cultural baggage with which we most likely won’t want to identify.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Much like all missionaries throughout history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there hopefully will be an increase of Mennonites from the Global South coming to North America as missionaries.</p></blockquote>
<p>Amen.</p>
<blockquote><p>They’ll bring the Spirit and their own interpretations of Anabaptism, as well as cultural baggage with which we most likely won’t want to identify.</p></blockquote>
<p>Much like all missionaries throughout history.</p>
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		<title>By: davisagli</title>
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		<dc:creator>davisagli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 00:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Tim and j alan.  I've been stewing about these matters for the past hour or so trying to figure out how to put my thoughts into words (I was also a participant in the Goshen College Anabaptist History tour), and you've summarized them more clearly and with more nuances than I could.

Our church has a history of schisms and separation.  But we also draw from a story, beginning in the Bible, of God welcoming the unwelcomeable and seeking reconciliation between people.  Conversation and discernment in a spirit of community with those who disagree with us seems to me to be much more in keeping with that story than does cutting ourselves off from others to protect principles.  And unity is more poignant when it is something that is clung to despite differences that make us want to go our separate ways.  The challenge facing us is, I think, to maintain both openness and conviction as we engage others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tim and j alan.  I&#8217;ve been stewing about these matters for the past hour or so trying to figure out how to put my thoughts into words (I was also a participant in the Goshen College Anabaptist History tour), and you&#8217;ve summarized them more clearly and with more nuances than I could.</p>
<p>Our church has a history of schisms and separation.  But we also draw from a story, beginning in the Bible, of God welcoming the unwelcomeable and seeking reconciliation between people.  Conversation and discernment in a spirit of community with those who disagree with us seems to me to be much more in keeping with that story than does cutting ourselves off from others to protect principles.  And unity is more poignant when it is something that is clung to despite differences that make us want to go our separate ways.  The challenge facing us is, I think, to maintain both openness and conviction as we engage others.</p>
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		<title>By: j alan meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>j alan meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good thoughts, Tim. A lot of these same issues came up in my recent Anabaptist/Mennonite History class in Europe, which included a visit to Mennonite World Conference headquarters in Strasbourg. There Larry Miller talked about the "rise of the Global South" in terms of power and numbers within the global Anabaptist (or Mennonite? I'll probably use the terms interchangeable, even though I shouldn't) community. This sparked many of the same thoughts you've so clearly articulated. And while I think there are no good answers to the questions you've raised, I'll offer some thoughts and observations anyway.

Some people in my class expressed fear at what the Mennonite Church will look like in 50 years given the current trends toward biblical fundamentalism displayed in many Mennonite communities outside North America. They look at the global Mennonite Church and see a hostile takeover in the works; "our liberal rationalist Mennonitism will soon revert to their evangelical fundamentalist Mennonitism." I think this is ridiculous, but it's an important reaction to pay attention to in North American Mennonite circles when the "global Mennonite Church" is discussed.

In the end, I fall back on what you might describe partially as the effect of post-modernity, but has strong roots in the Anabaptist tradition: a strong discomfort and dislike of Confessions of Faith as our anchors of identity. The Lutherans have the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg_confession" rel="nofollow"&gt;Augsburg Confession&lt;/a&gt;, around which they have established a global identity. If you agree with the Augsburg Confession, you're a Lutheran. If not, you aren't. In a way, it'd be nice if we had one of those. MWC could use its recently developed &lt;a href="http://www.mwc-cmm.org/MWC/Councils/2006SharedConvictionsENG.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Shared Convictions"&lt;/a&gt; as a litmus test for global Mennonites: if you can sign the Shared Convictions, you're in. If you can't, you're not a Mennonite. Boy, that'd be easy.

Instead, MWC specifically states that those are &lt;em&gt;descriptive&lt;/em&gt; convictions, and are not meant to be prescriptive for the global Mennonite Church. Interestingly, the same has been said about our North American Mennonite &lt;a href="http://www.mcusa-archives.org/library/resolutions/1995/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Confession of Faith.&lt;/a&gt; Theoretically, we're a non-creedal/non-doctrinal church.

So let's embrace that. We aren't identical to Mennonites around the world, but we hopefully have some things in common. Maybe they aren't the beliefs or values that we think are the most important, but that's okay. We want to remain in conversation with the global Mennonite Church, and we need to be open to learning as well as teaching. There won't be a hostile takeover of our theology, but there hopefully will be an increase of Mennonites from the Global South coming to North America as missionaries. They'll bring the Spirit and their own interpretations of Anabaptism, as well as cultural baggage with which we most likely won't want to identify.

The goal of MWC or a global Anabaptist community is not to develop theological doctrines or make decisions for all Mennonites, but to be a place for conversation and communion to celebrate our shared Anabaptist/Mennonite identity (which will mean different things to different people). We have the MWC Shared Convictions as a good description of current Mennonite identity, and it's okay that it doesn't encompass all of what I may think it means to be Mennonite. Participation in the global Mennonite community is voluntary and open -- if you identify with what you see as Mennonite values, come join us and we'll be in discussion. One (perhaps negative) outcome of this is that we begin to strongly identify with MC-USA along theological/doctrinal lines, and we should be cautious of this nationalistic division of the Church.

Also, perhaps our Mennonite missions could be more re-connected with our own understandings of Anabaptist history and what it means to be Mennonite. Today, some Mennonite churches in the Global South are saying, "Hey! You just gave us the Gospel -- which is nice -- but you left out all this good stuff about peace and community and mutual aid!" Discussion only works if we're willing to say what we believe, and why we believe it.

So I'm basically (rambling, and) agreeing with you, Tim, that we can't always pretend that we agree on basic theological/religious questions of what it means to be Mennonite. I say why I'm a Mennonite, you say why you're a Mennonite, and we talk about that. That's the beauty of being a Church centered around community discernment, not a Church centered around a Confession of Faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good thoughts, Tim. A lot of these same issues came up in my recent Anabaptist/Mennonite History class in Europe, which included a visit to Mennonite World Conference headquarters in Strasbourg. There Larry Miller talked about the &#8220;rise of the Global South&#8221; in terms of power and numbers within the global Anabaptist (or Mennonite? I&#8217;ll probably use the terms interchangeable, even though I shouldn&#8217;t) community. This sparked many of the same thoughts you&#8217;ve so clearly articulated. And while I think there are no good answers to the questions you&#8217;ve raised, I&#8217;ll offer some thoughts and observations anyway.</p>
<p>Some people in my class expressed fear at what the Mennonite Church will look like in 50 years given the current trends toward biblical fundamentalism displayed in many Mennonite communities outside North America. They look at the global Mennonite Church and see a hostile takeover in the works; &#8220;our liberal rationalist Mennonitism will soon revert to their evangelical fundamentalist Mennonitism.&#8221; I think this is ridiculous, but it&#8217;s an important reaction to pay attention to in North American Mennonite circles when the &#8220;global Mennonite Church&#8221; is discussed.</p>
<p>In the end, I fall back on what you might describe partially as the effect of post-modernity, but has strong roots in the Anabaptist tradition: a strong discomfort and dislike of Confessions of Faith as our anchors of identity. The Lutherans have the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg_confession" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augsburg_confession');" rel="nofollow">Augsburg Confession</a>, around which they have established a global identity. If you agree with the Augsburg Confession, you&#8217;re a Lutheran. If not, you aren&#8217;t. In a way, it&#8217;d be nice if we had one of those. MWC could use its recently developed <a href="http://www.mwc-cmm.org/MWC/Councils/2006SharedConvictionsENG.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.mwc-cmm.org/MWC/Councils/2006SharedConvictionsENG.pdf');" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Shared Convictions&#8221;</a> as a litmus test for global Mennonites: if you can sign the Shared Convictions, you&#8217;re in. If you can&#8217;t, you&#8217;re not a Mennonite. Boy, that&#8217;d be easy.</p>
<p>Instead, MWC specifically states that those are <em>descriptive</em> convictions, and are not meant to be prescriptive for the global Mennonite Church. Interestingly, the same has been said about our North American Mennonite <a href="http://www.mcusa-archives.org/library/resolutions/1995/index.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.mcusa-archives.org/library/resolutions/1995/index.html');" rel="nofollow">Confession of Faith.</a> Theoretically, we&#8217;re a non-creedal/non-doctrinal church.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s embrace that. We aren&#8217;t identical to Mennonites around the world, but we hopefully have some things in common. Maybe they aren&#8217;t the beliefs or values that we think are the most important, but that&#8217;s okay. We want to remain in conversation with the global Mennonite Church, and we need to be open to learning as well as teaching. There won&#8217;t be a hostile takeover of our theology, but there hopefully will be an increase of Mennonites from the Global South coming to North America as missionaries. They&#8217;ll bring the Spirit and their own interpretations of Anabaptism, as well as cultural baggage with which we most likely won&#8217;t want to identify.</p>
<p>The goal of MWC or a global Anabaptist community is not to develop theological doctrines or make decisions for all Mennonites, but to be a place for conversation and communion to celebrate our shared Anabaptist/Mennonite identity (which will mean different things to different people). We have the MWC Shared Convictions as a good description of current Mennonite identity, and it&#8217;s okay that it doesn&#8217;t encompass all of what I may think it means to be Mennonite. Participation in the global Mennonite community is voluntary and open &#8212; if you identify with what you see as Mennonite values, come join us and we&#8217;ll be in discussion. One (perhaps negative) outcome of this is that we begin to strongly identify with MC-USA along theological/doctrinal lines, and we should be cautious of this nationalistic division of the Church.</p>
<p>Also, perhaps our Mennonite missions could be more re-connected with our own understandings of Anabaptist history and what it means to be Mennonite. Today, some Mennonite churches in the Global South are saying, &#8220;Hey! You just gave us the Gospel &#8212; which is nice &#8212; but you left out all this good stuff about peace and community and mutual aid!&#8221; Discussion only works if we&#8217;re willing to say what we believe, and why we believe it.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m basically (rambling, and) agreeing with you, Tim, that we can&#8217;t always pretend that we agree on basic theological/religious questions of what it means to be Mennonite. I say why I&#8217;m a Mennonite, you say why you&#8217;re a Mennonite, and we talk about that. That&#8217;s the beauty of being a Church centered around community discernment, not a Church centered around a Confession of Faith.</p>
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