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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2007/08/11/welcoming-the-poor/#comment-2957</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened in Baltimore happens daily in Multnomah County, Oregon.  If you are in Eugene, OR, you will be arrested and fined if you try to sleep on the street.  In Las Vegas, if you try to feed the homeless,you will be ticketed.  Most cities don't want to help the homeless, even with positive programs-- they want to get them out of sight.  Gresham OR denies that they have any homeless at all (so I wonder who I have been with the past twelve years?), and they ticket and harass and sometimes attack the homeless without provocation.

Homeless is the nigger of the world. (Sorry, misquoting John Lennon, if you know the song)

Steve K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened in Baltimore happens daily in Multnomah County, Oregon.  If you are in Eugene, OR, you will be arrested and fined if you try to sleep on the street.  In Las Vegas, if you try to feed the homeless,you will be ticketed.  Most cities don&#8217;t want to help the homeless, even with positive programs&#8211; they want to get them out of sight.  Gresham OR denies that they have any homeless at all (so I wonder who I have been with the past twelve years?), and they ticket and harass and sometimes attack the homeless without provocation.</p>
<p>Homeless is the nigger of the world. (Sorry, misquoting John Lennon, if you know the song)</p>
<p>Steve K</p>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2007/08/11/welcoming-the-poor/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Ron for your thoughtful reply. 

I actually think that one of the biggest problems of the middle class' approach to the homeless and the poor in general is the idea that "we will go in and fix them".  It isn't that the homeless don't want homes (most of the time they do) or that the mentally ill don't want medication (although it's true sometimes they don't).  Rather, its the basic arrogance of the approach of, "I know what you need and I can take care of it."  This is a superior to inferior relationship, one in which the middle class is used to, but is the wrong way to build trust.

When my wife and I began working with the homeless twelve years ago, we spent two years listening to their needs and their stories before we thought we "knew" any needs or issues that we could possibly address.  We developed trust before offering any "fix". 

It is humiliating for anyone to be seen as so pathetic to need another person's help.  So we offered folks things they said they needed, and we lowered ourselve to be at their level.  We became homeless ourselves and lived day to day, welcoming whatever help the homeless could give us, so that we were a community, not a benevolence agency.

It is true that mercy trumps judgement.  But relationship trumps a sense of pity every time.  As soon as we think "poor people, what can I do to help them" we become paternal.  But if we think about ways to join them and to make them better able to help themselves, or to receive help from God, then we are on the right track.

Now I need to say, I love my middle class brothers and sisters.  I think many of them have a good heart.  But havng the homeless have their own congregation isn't segregation, or it doesn't have to be.  Every church is culture, as well as spirit.  And if we told all Africans they had to worship in a Western way, wouldn't we agree that is wrong and offensive?  So why should we insist the homeless become "one of us" when they aren't?  If they want to be, great-- there's lots of programs to make them middle class.  But what if they want to keep their cultural values that aren't opposed to Scripture?  What if dumpster diving and recycling and living in tents is actually more scripturally sound than being middle class?  Shouldn't we find ways to allow them to live that way?

Steve K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ron for your thoughtful reply. </p>
<p>I actually think that one of the biggest problems of the middle class&#8217; approach to the homeless and the poor in general is the idea that &#8220;we will go in and fix them&#8221;.  It isn&#8217;t that the homeless don&#8217;t want homes (most of the time they do) or that the mentally ill don&#8217;t want medication (although it&#8217;s true sometimes they don&#8217;t).  Rather, its the basic arrogance of the approach of, &#8220;I know what you need and I can take care of it.&#8221;  This is a superior to inferior relationship, one in which the middle class is used to, but is the wrong way to build trust.</p>
<p>When my wife and I began working with the homeless twelve years ago, we spent two years listening to their needs and their stories before we thought we &#8220;knew&#8221; any needs or issues that we could possibly address.  We developed trust before offering any &#8220;fix&#8221;. </p>
<p>It is humiliating for anyone to be seen as so pathetic to need another person&#8217;s help.  So we offered folks things they said they needed, and we lowered ourselve to be at their level.  We became homeless ourselves and lived day to day, welcoming whatever help the homeless could give us, so that we were a community, not a benevolence agency.</p>
<p>It is true that mercy trumps judgement.  But relationship trumps a sense of pity every time.  As soon as we think &#8220;poor people, what can I do to help them&#8221; we become paternal.  But if we think about ways to join them and to make them better able to help themselves, or to receive help from God, then we are on the right track.</p>
<p>Now I need to say, I love my middle class brothers and sisters.  I think many of them have a good heart.  But havng the homeless have their own congregation isn&#8217;t segregation, or it doesn&#8217;t have to be.  Every church is culture, as well as spirit.  And if we told all Africans they had to worship in a Western way, wouldn&#8217;t we agree that is wrong and offensive?  So why should we insist the homeless become &#8220;one of us&#8221; when they aren&#8217;t?  If they want to be, great&#8211; there&#8217;s lots of programs to make them middle class.  But what if they want to keep their cultural values that aren&#8217;t opposed to Scripture?  What if dumpster diving and recycling and living in tents is actually more scripturally sound than being middle class?  Shouldn&#8217;t we find ways to allow them to live that way?</p>
<p>Steve K</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am interested in Steve's approach to having homeless people form their own small groups.  In my church, the minister had an outreach to homeless people and would visit with them and some attended church, but it never really worked out.  I would chat with them, but I am used to working with people like that and I'm not sure what other people in the congregation thought or if someone even said something to the minister about it.  I supported the minister in it.  However, it seems that they start to realize that they don't have much in common with the others in church and don't really fit in, so they stop attending.
On the other hand, having homeless people in separate groups sounds like segregation.  However, it isn't really- because it's their choice.  I guess it is just an option for them, and some might attend the regular services and some might not, or some might switch at some point.  
Anyhow, I am interested in hearing about how this works in your church, Steve.  I know that this post wasn't specifically about homeless people.
Here is some of what I think on this issue.  To the early Christians, poverty was a virtue.  Jesus stated how hard it was for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  You should store up your treasures in heaven, not on earth.
However, this has now been reversed.  Now, poverty is associated with laziness, criminal activity, etc. and is seen as less Christian by many churchgoers.  Respectable people have good jobs, good families and obey the rules of society.  Conformity to the rules of society is seen to be more Christian than non-conformity.  
While many here would disagree with these views, such attitudes have permeated our society and have probably even been internalized by many lower-income people who feel lesser than others because of their lack of wealth, education, etc.
Even among those who have compassion for poor people, we tend to think more of trying to help them become more like us "normal" people than just accepting them as fellow children of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am interested in Steve&#8217;s approach to having homeless people form their own small groups.  In my church, the minister had an outreach to homeless people and would visit with them and some attended church, but it never really worked out.  I would chat with them, but I am used to working with people like that and I&#8217;m not sure what other people in the congregation thought or if someone even said something to the minister about it.  I supported the minister in it.  However, it seems that they start to realize that they don&#8217;t have much in common with the others in church and don&#8217;t really fit in, so they stop attending.<br />
On the other hand, having homeless people in separate groups sounds like segregation.  However, it isn&#8217;t really- because it&#8217;s their choice.  I guess it is just an option for them, and some might attend the regular services and some might not, or some might switch at some point.<br />
Anyhow, I am interested in hearing about how this works in your church, Steve.  I know that this post wasn&#8217;t specifically about homeless people.<br />
Here is some of what I think on this issue.  To the early Christians, poverty was a virtue.  Jesus stated how hard it was for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.  You should store up your treasures in heaven, not on earth.<br />
However, this has now been reversed.  Now, poverty is associated with laziness, criminal activity, etc. and is seen as less Christian by many churchgoers.  Respectable people have good jobs, good families and obey the rules of society.  Conformity to the rules of society is seen to be more Christian than non-conformity.<br />
While many here would disagree with these views, such attitudes have permeated our society and have probably even been internalized by many lower-income people who feel lesser than others because of their lack of wealth, education, etc.<br />
Even among those who have compassion for poor people, we tend to think more of trying to help them become more like us &#8220;normal&#8221; people than just accepting them as fellow children of God.</p>
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		<title>By: jdaniel</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2007/08/11/welcoming-the-poor/#comment-2945</link>
		<dc:creator>jdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baltimore City is good at welcoming the poor, as evidenced by &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-homeless0815,0,3377223.story" rel="nofollow"&gt;this report&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baltimore City is good at welcoming the poor, as evidenced by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-homeless0815,0,3377223.story" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/baltimore_city/bal-homeless0815,0,3377223.story');" rel="nofollow">this report</a>.</p>
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