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		<title>By: TimN</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18611</link>
		<dc:creator>TimN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Nice to hear your reading things you identify with. What are some of the connections you see with where you find yourself? 

A general on-line resource is the &lt;a href="http://www.thirdway.com/menno/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Who are the Mennonites?&lt;/a&gt; page on &lt;a href="http://www.thirdway.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Third Way cafe&lt;/a&gt; site. If you want to visit a Mennonite church in your area, you can use the &lt;a href="http://directory.mennoniteusa.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Mennonite church online directory&lt;/a&gt;.

If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask them here and I'm sure folks will take a crack at answering them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Nice to hear your reading things you identify with. What are some of the connections you see with where you find yourself? </p>
<p>A general on-line resource is the <a href="http://www.thirdway.com/menno/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.thirdway.com/menno/');" rel="nofollow">Who are the Mennonites?</a> page on <a href="http://www.thirdway.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.thirdway.com/');" rel="nofollow">Third Way cafe</a> site. If you want to visit a Mennonite church in your area, you can use the <a href="http://directory.mennoniteusa.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://directory.mennoniteusa.org/');" rel="nofollow">Mennonite church online directory</a>.</p>
<p>If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask them here and I&#8217;m sure folks will take a crack at answering them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18610</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one become Mennonite?  Where does one learn ALL ABOUT the faith? Or denomination or whatever ya call it.  It just seems like what I am reading is exactly where I find myself with my own faith.

Thank you very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one become Mennonite?  Where does one learn ALL ABOUT the faith? Or denomination or whatever ya call it.  It just seems like what I am reading is exactly where I find myself with my own faith.</p>
<p>Thank you very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Green</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18472</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, but when I was a kid growing up in New Jersey, I went to Catholic school - eventhough I wasn't.  So, when the public schools in the city I lived in were substandard and unsafe - the Catholic Church educated us.  When my family didn't have enough food to eat, the Catholic Church fed us.  When my little brother died, and my family didn't have enough money to pay for the funeral - the Catholic Church did.  And here's a very important thing - WE WEREN'T CATHOLIC.  

Mennonites have no special lock on social responsibility in the name of Jesus.  Drive past any Salvation Army on any given day of the week - and they're feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, etc.  All in Jesus' name.  I once asked my boss if anyone kept record of how many people who were helped by the Salvation Army later joined, and he said, "Where do you think we get our membership from?"  The Salvation Army doesn't practice water baptism at all - they lay hands and pray for the holy spirit, so NOT Anabaptist.

But, it isn't about Catholic (not Anabaptist by any stretch of anybody's imagination), Mennonite, Anabaptist, Salvation Army - it's about Jesus and trying to actually do what he commanded us to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but when I was a kid growing up in New Jersey, I went to Catholic school - eventhough I wasn&#8217;t.  So, when the public schools in the city I lived in were substandard and unsafe - the Catholic Church educated us.  When my family didn&#8217;t have enough food to eat, the Catholic Church fed us.  When my little brother died, and my family didn&#8217;t have enough money to pay for the funeral - the Catholic Church did.  And here&#8217;s a very important thing - WE WEREN&#8217;T CATHOLIC.  </p>
<p>Mennonites have no special lock on social responsibility in the name of Jesus.  Drive past any Salvation Army on any given day of the week - and they&#8217;re feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, clothing the naked, etc.  All in Jesus&#8217; name.  I once asked my boss if anyone kept record of how many people who were helped by the Salvation Army later joined, and he said, &#8220;Where do you think we get our membership from?&#8221;  The Salvation Army doesn&#8217;t practice water baptism at all - they lay hands and pray for the holy spirit, so NOT Anabaptist.</p>
<p>But, it isn&#8217;t about Catholic (not Anabaptist by any stretch of anybody&#8217;s imagination), Mennonite, Anabaptist, Salvation Army - it&#8217;s about Jesus and trying to actually do what he commanded us to do.</p>
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		<title>By: TimN</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18456</link>
		<dc:creator>TimN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, you're not being moderated. When users post for the first time, their comments are held until an admin can verify they aren't spam. I was on vacation so I didn't get around to checking the comment approval queue for a couple days. Sorry about that.

Adam, please name the person you're responding to. Even if it looks like your comment is right after the comment you're responding to, there are sometimes first time comments that are pending approval in between.

Melissa, I think you've got a point there. I was embarrassed by the speakers at San Jose 2007, the bi-annual Mennonite convention. There was one new Mennonite whose message basically boiled down to: "Gee, Mennonites are so great, they brought my family food when we had a crisis." It would be nice to hear in a conversation, but doesn't make sense as a keynote address at a major convention.

That said, I think the future of the Anabaptist movement is non-Mennonites drawn to Anabaptism. Whether they are part of the Mennonite denomination or not is irrelevant. And what is that movement about? From what I can tell it boils down to  trying to live based on what Jesus actually said and did. Whether you call that Mennonite or Brethren or Amish or New Monasticism or Emergent shouldn't matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, you&#8217;re not being moderated. When users post for the first time, their comments are held until an admin can verify they aren&#8217;t spam. I was on vacation so I didn&#8217;t get around to checking the comment approval queue for a couple days. Sorry about that.</p>
<p>Adam, please name the person you&#8217;re responding to. Even if it looks like your comment is right after the comment you&#8217;re responding to, there are sometimes first time comments that are pending approval in between.</p>
<p>Melissa, I think you&#8217;ve got a point there. I was embarrassed by the speakers at San Jose 2007, the bi-annual Mennonite convention. There was one new Mennonite whose message basically boiled down to: &#8220;Gee, Mennonites are so great, they brought my family food when we had a crisis.&#8221; It would be nice to hear in a conversation, but doesn&#8217;t make sense as a keynote address at a major convention.</p>
<p>That said, I think the future of the Anabaptist movement is non-Mennonites drawn to Anabaptism. Whether they are part of the Mennonite denomination or not is irrelevant. And what is that movement about? From what I can tell it boils down to  trying to live based on what Jesus actually said and did. Whether you call that Mennonite or Brethren or Amish or New Monasticism or Emergent shouldn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seemed pretty clear to me.  Not that you'll read this.  I'll probably just get moderated again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seemed pretty clear to me.  Not that you&#8217;ll read this.  I&#8217;ll probably just get moderated again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18423</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm confused by you not because of your ideology, but because of the way in which you attempt to communicate it.  Your posts are frequently ambiguous and unclear.  If you have something worth communicating and if you are interested in being understood, it would be worth the extra effort to consider the appearance and tone of your writing.  Rants do not tend to be effective means of communication; whether you intend it or not, many of your posts come across as rants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused by you not because of your ideology, but because of the way in which you attempt to communicate it.  Your posts are frequently ambiguous and unclear.  If you have something worth communicating and if you are interested in being understood, it would be worth the extra effort to consider the appearance and tone of your writing.  Rants do not tend to be effective means of communication; whether you intend it or not, many of your posts come across as rants.</p>
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		<title>By: Newguy</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18421</link>
		<dc:creator>Newguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay just a couple of observations.

"...advocate some new form of state run government"

So what other kind of government can there be? That statement makes absolutely no sense.

And also:

"...Or perhaps they believe that the things that make them mennonite (non-violence, peace, equality) come before their actual religion!..."

So trying to practice what Jesus preached is somehow wrong? That's not coming before our actual religion it is PART OF that religion.

I'm one of those people from another faith tradition who became a Mennonite -- not BECAUSE of the cool name, but because they seem to me to come closest to practicing Christianity as it was originally intended.

Like any group of people, Mennonites are far from perfect, but as a whole, they seem to me to be much better at practicing what they believe than the Christian population at large.

I think it's a healthy thing for Anabaptists on an Anabaptist web site to point out what's right about their corner of the Christian world. As long as it stays within the realm of positive reinforcement and doesn't cross the line into pride. (A fine line I know).

But as human beings we need that kind of encouragement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay just a couple of observations.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;advocate some new form of state run government&#8221;</p>
<p>So what other kind of government can there be? That statement makes absolutely no sense.</p>
<p>And also:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Or perhaps they believe that the things that make them mennonite (non-violence, peace, equality) come before their actual religion!&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So trying to practice what Jesus preached is somehow wrong? That&#8217;s not coming before our actual religion it is PART OF that religion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m one of those people from another faith tradition who became a Mennonite &#8212; not BECAUSE of the cool name, but because they seem to me to come closest to practicing Christianity as it was originally intended.</p>
<p>Like any group of people, Mennonites are far from perfect, but as a whole, they seem to me to be much better at practicing what they believe than the Christian population at large.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a healthy thing for Anabaptists on an Anabaptist web site to point out what&#8217;s right about their corner of the Christian world. As long as it stays within the realm of positive reinforcement and doesn&#8217;t cross the line into pride. (A fine line I know).</p>
<p>But as human beings we need that kind of encouragement.</p>
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		<title>By: somasoul</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18418</link>
		<dc:creator>somasoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Now, eventhough Shane Claiborne is NOT a Mennonite, they’re trying to coopt him and his book and take the focus off Jesus and put it on Mennonites."

HEY LOOK, WE KNOW ABOUT THESE IDEAS!

"It appears to me that Mennonites no longer believe that they’re saved through faith in Jesus Christ but by being Mennonite, and that is nothing short of idolotry."

Or perhaps they believe that the things that make them mennonite (non-violence, peace, equality) come before their actual religion! I was accused last year of not being a Christian because I didn't support the US military. But sometimes I get accused of not having Christian beliefs because I'm not a Republican or a feminist or I don't want to bash in Fred Phelps' head.

Now, with the Jesus for president anti-empire emergent movement on the rise, again, we are co-opting ideas based on the culture of the day and the fad of the week.

I believe in the Bible, what could more conservative? I believe that putting political or cultural isms in front of Jesus simply creates stumbling blocks for people, what could be more liberal and forward thinking?

No wonder everyone is confused by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now, eventhough Shane Claiborne is NOT a Mennonite, they’re trying to coopt him and his book and take the focus off Jesus and put it on Mennonites.&#8221;</p>
<p>HEY LOOK, WE KNOW ABOUT THESE IDEAS!</p>
<p>&#8220;It appears to me that Mennonites no longer believe that they’re saved through faith in Jesus Christ but by being Mennonite, and that is nothing short of idolotry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or perhaps they believe that the things that make them mennonite (non-violence, peace, equality) come before their actual religion! I was accused last year of not being a Christian because I didn&#8217;t support the US military. But sometimes I get accused of not having Christian beliefs because I&#8217;m not a Republican or a feminist or I don&#8217;t want to bash in Fred Phelps&#8217; head.</p>
<p>Now, with the Jesus for president anti-empire emergent movement on the rise, again, we are co-opting ideas based on the culture of the day and the fad of the week.</p>
<p>I believe in the Bible, what could more conservative? I believe that putting political or cultural isms in front of Jesus simply creates stumbling blocks for people, what could be more liberal and forward thinking?</p>
<p>No wonder everyone is confused by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18401</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Somasoul nails it on the head here.

And as for Melissa, she just pointed something out to me that I never thought of, but now that I've read it, it makes an awful lot of sense.

The thing is, there's an awful lot for Mennonites to be proud of.  Their willingness to go and do social justice and not just vote for the right guy or read the right website is what attracted me in the first place.  Or, as I put it to my pastor, I was glad that I finally found a church that got it right in my eyes..."relatively conservative theology and relatively liberal politics."

But, that said, yeah, there does seem to be a mennonite cult of personality.  Which is bound to happen in what is essentially a VERY small denomination.  Maybe that's something that we as mennonites need to work on.  A lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Somasoul nails it on the head here.</p>
<p>And as for Melissa, she just pointed something out to me that I never thought of, but now that I&#8217;ve read it, it makes an awful lot of sense.</p>
<p>The thing is, there&#8217;s an awful lot for Mennonites to be proud of.  Their willingness to go and do social justice and not just vote for the right guy or read the right website is what attracted me in the first place.  Or, as I put it to my pastor, I was glad that I finally found a church that got it right in my eyes&#8230;&#8221;relatively conservative theology and relatively liberal politics.&#8221;</p>
<p>But, that said, yeah, there does seem to be a mennonite cult of personality.  Which is bound to happen in what is essentially a VERY small denomination.  Maybe that&#8217;s something that we as mennonites need to work on.  A lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa Green</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18395</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's my critique of the review:  The focus of Jesus For President is *gasp* Jesus.  The writer of this review has some how turned it into, "Aren't Mennonites Wonderful?"  That's been my biggest problem with the Mennonite Church for the last fifteen years is that every time I go to one - there's no sermon or gospel message.  The whole thing is about, "We're great because we're Mennos.  We're better than everyone because we're Mennos."  And ususally they've dug up someone who converted to being Mennonite from some other denomination leading the cheering squad.  Now, eventhough Shane Claiborne is NOT a Mennonite, they're trying to coopt him and his book and take the focus off Jesus and put it on Mennonites.  It appears to me that Mennonites no longer believe that they're saved through faith in Jesus Christ but by being Mennonite, and that is nothing short of idolotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my critique of the review:  The focus of Jesus For President is *gasp* Jesus.  The writer of this review has some how turned it into, &#8220;Aren&#8217;t Mennonites Wonderful?&#8221;  That&#8217;s been my biggest problem with the Mennonite Church for the last fifteen years is that every time I go to one - there&#8217;s no sermon or gospel message.  The whole thing is about, &#8220;We&#8217;re great because we&#8217;re Mennos.  We&#8217;re better than everyone because we&#8217;re Mennos.&#8221;  And ususally they&#8217;ve dug up someone who converted to being Mennonite from some other denomination leading the cheering squad.  Now, eventhough Shane Claiborne is NOT a Mennonite, they&#8217;re trying to coopt him and his book and take the focus off Jesus and put it on Mennonites.  It appears to me that Mennonites no longer believe that they&#8217;re saved through faith in Jesus Christ but by being Mennonite, and that is nothing short of idolotry.</p>
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		<title>By: somasoul</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18373</link>
		<dc:creator>somasoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think Chris and Shane have an agenda. I think some people are using this type of work to advocate some new form of state run government.

Anabaptists have a strong tradition of operating outside of traditional state based governments. But there is a strong movement within the mennonite church to begin leaning more and more to the left. They believe in compassion and mercy and equality (whatever those things are) and they believe that left politics will grant them those things in some measure. But they are wrong. Just as the evangelicals have been so wrong to place their faith on the empty promises of the Republican party.

They will offer us these things. They will grant few. Our forefathers knew this and stayed out of the meddlesome business of the state. I see the Obama bumper stickers at church. I am not blind. (I saw the Bush bumper stickers at my old Baptist haunt)

The state has never been an ally for our faith. They have either exploited the Rabbi's teachings, fed us to the lions, or given our faith a bad name.

Jesus' government is no state run entity, that much I know. When you listen to Bush (or Obama or any other politco) you'd swear Jesus' second coming is at hand with the pull of a lever.

You'd think we'd learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Chris and Shane have an agenda. I think some people are using this type of work to advocate some new form of state run government.</p>
<p>Anabaptists have a strong tradition of operating outside of traditional state based governments. But there is a strong movement within the mennonite church to begin leaning more and more to the left. They believe in compassion and mercy and equality (whatever those things are) and they believe that left politics will grant them those things in some measure. But they are wrong. Just as the evangelicals have been so wrong to place their faith on the empty promises of the Republican party.</p>
<p>They will offer us these things. They will grant few. Our forefathers knew this and stayed out of the meddlesome business of the state. I see the Obama bumper stickers at church. I am not blind. (I saw the Bush bumper stickers at my old Baptist haunt)</p>
<p>The state has never been an ally for our faith. They have either exploited the Rabbi&#8217;s teachings, fed us to the lions, or given our faith a bad name.</p>
<p>Jesus&#8217; government is no state run entity, that much I know. When you listen to Bush (or Obama or any other politco) you&#8217;d swear Jesus&#8217; second coming is at hand with the pull of a lever.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think we&#8217;d learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://young.anabaptistradicals.org/2008/08/20/jesus-for-president-report/#comment-18369</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>somasoul, could you say more about what you perceive to be their political agendas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>somasoul, could you say more about what you perceive to be their political agendas?</p>
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		<title>By: somasoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>somasoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's funny that Claiborne and Haw's book is about how governments have never empowered the people the God but there are people using this idea to further their own political agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s funny that Claiborne and Haw&#8217;s book is about how governments have never empowered the people the God but there are people using this idea to further their own political agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This unabridged version is much better ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This unabridged version is much better ;-)</p>
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