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	<title>Comments on: Can radical book tours change the world?</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before you can really change the world you have to understand what you are as a human being in Truth &#38; Reality and thus how to live right life altogether.

http://www.adidam.org/teaching/aletheon/truth-life.aspx 

Otherwise you are just another unconscious player in the never-ending world Mummery. 

Everything you do is thus just an extension and continuation of the now, universal insanity. Playing out a culturally determined pre-scripted role and pattern of which you are completely unconscious. A script which governs and patterns every minute fraction of your existence-being.

Just like all of the dreadfully sane normals in the Matrix Trilogy who had not taken the Red Pill. 

ALL of our conventional institutions, including ALL of what is called religion, even your so-called radical religion, conspire to keep the collective trance in place. 

Which is to say that you are all under-cover agents for, and clones of, Agent Smith. Working to keep the system or the relentless world-machine in place.

But even those who had taken the Red Pill were essentially powerless in the face of the relentless world-machine, until NEO broke the spell which caused the old trance to lose its power and thus spontaneously fall away. 

And simultaneously create a new pattern or seed which enabled something radically new to occur.

Such is the case described here. But only if everybody, one at a time, and all at once, consciously responds.

http://global.adidam.org/books/not-two-5.html 

http://www.dabase.org/not2.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before you can really change the world you have to understand what you are as a human being in Truth &amp; Reality and thus how to live right life altogether.</p>
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<p>Otherwise you are just another unconscious player in the never-ending world Mummery. </p>
<p>Everything you do is thus just an extension and continuation of the now, universal insanity. Playing out a culturally determined pre-scripted role and pattern of which you are completely unconscious. A script which governs and patterns every minute fraction of your existence-being.</p>
<p>Just like all of the dreadfully sane normals in the Matrix Trilogy who had not taken the Red Pill. </p>
<p>ALL of our conventional institutions, including ALL of what is called religion, even your so-called radical religion, conspire to keep the collective trance in place. </p>
<p>Which is to say that you are all under-cover agents for, and clones of, Agent Smith. Working to keep the system or the relentless world-machine in place.</p>
<p>But even those who had taken the Red Pill were essentially powerless in the face of the relentless world-machine, until NEO broke the spell which caused the old trance to lose its power and thus spontaneously fall away. </p>
<p>And simultaneously create a new pattern or seed which enabled something radically new to occur.</p>
<p>Such is the case described here. But only if everybody, one at a time, and all at once, consciously responds.</p>
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		<title>By: ST</title>
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		<dc:creator>ST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through all the comments on that Insurrection post. Wow. What a conversation it sparked.  Most, I appreciated Rebekah's comments, so want to post some of them here: 

"I'm glad to see Pete Rollins get some pushback, not necessarily because I have a problem with what he's doing/saying, but rather because I think there's been a tendency among the emergent congnoscenti to uncritically enthuse over everything he says...

Regardless, we need to be careful not to confuse success in limited emergent/missional/progressive circles with actual success in the mainstream Christian and/or secular markets. I'm not sure I would even consider Shane Claiborne to be all that successful by those criteria, Esquire magazine notwithstanding. I certainly would not put him on par with Naomi Klein and
Noam Chomsky (not to denigrate Shane)."

She continued, responding to what Mark had to say about Rollins:

"I have to wonder whether you've actually read any of Rollins' work or heard him speak. When you say things like "these days so many have commodified and marketed pseudo-radicalized capitalism in ways that actually deepen the co-opting of dissent," or "Charity is a mechanism within a system that allows capital to flow from the wealthy within that system to the poor within that system. Charity never actually challenges the system," They sound like things that Rollins himself has said.

I do think that there are legitimate separate roles for academic theologians and on the ground practitioners. That's not to say they need to be divorced from one another, one supports and grounds the other. To paraphrase Paul, we are all one body with many members and all do not perform the same function."

She said, "I hope Peter continues to do real, practical, community oriented work and resists the temptation to become another talking head-guru. I hope that his work provokes reasoned, thoughtful critique that illuminates, edifies, and challenges all of us privy to this conversation." (Thanks Rebekah!)

I think the key here is humility, and all parts of the movement staying in touch with one another. On that note, I need to say that a conversation like this one (even somewhat affected by its medium of transmission via the blogosphere/web) feels very far away from what's going on here with Christians. I wish there was a way to get a dialogue between the folks at the Irish Ikon and seminary students here in Ghana talking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through all the comments on that Insurrection post. Wow. What a conversation it sparked.  Most, I appreciated Rebekah&#8217;s comments, so want to post some of them here: </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m glad to see Pete Rollins get some pushback, not necessarily because I have a problem with what he&#8217;s doing/saying, but rather because I think there&#8217;s been a tendency among the emergent congnoscenti to uncritically enthuse over everything he says&#8230;</p>
<p>Regardless, we need to be careful not to confuse success in limited emergent/missional/progressive circles with actual success in the mainstream Christian and/or secular markets. I&#8217;m not sure I would even consider Shane Claiborne to be all that successful by those criteria, Esquire magazine notwithstanding. I certainly would not put him on par with Naomi Klein and<br />
Noam Chomsky (not to denigrate Shane).&#8221;</p>
<p>She continued, responding to what Mark had to say about Rollins:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have to wonder whether you&#8217;ve actually read any of Rollins&#8217; work or heard him speak. When you say things like &#8220;these days so many have commodified and marketed pseudo-radicalized capitalism in ways that actually deepen the co-opting of dissent,&#8221; or &#8220;Charity is a mechanism within a system that allows capital to flow from the wealthy within that system to the poor within that system. Charity never actually challenges the system,&#8221; They sound like things that Rollins himself has said.</p>
<p>I do think that there are legitimate separate roles for academic theologians and on the ground practitioners. That&#8217;s not to say they need to be divorced from one another, one supports and grounds the other. To paraphrase Paul, we are all one body with many members and all do not perform the same function.&#8221;</p>
<p>She said, &#8220;I hope Peter continues to do real, practical, community oriented work and resists the temptation to become another talking head-guru. I hope that his work provokes reasoned, thoughtful critique that illuminates, edifies, and challenges all of us privy to this conversation.&#8221; (Thanks Rebekah!)</p>
<p>I think the key here is humility, and all parts of the movement staying in touch with one another. On that note, I need to say that a conversation like this one (even somewhat affected by its medium of transmission via the blogosphere/web) feels very far away from what&#8217;s going on here with Christians. I wish there was a way to get a dialogue between the folks at the Irish Ikon and seminary students here in Ghana talking.</p>
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